Posts by Sea Breeze

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Probability of Earth and life being how it is

by ballistic in

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there are some things we don't know about existence and whether the earth is a simulation or even a creation.

but we can do some statistical analysis on it.. the probability of a planet like earth existing in the goldilocks zone and having a moon that perfectly eclipses the sun is extremely low, but it's not impossible.

the habitable zone (or goldilocks zone) around a star is the region where a planet could potentially support liquid water on its surface.

Sea Breeze

I am confident that it isn't any [God]... It's a long road from "there is reason to believe that a creator exists" to "it is this specific creator."

I think that if someone were to predict their own death and then claim that they would resurrect themself from the dead afterwards, then do it - that would pretty much do it for me. But, for the skeptics:

The probability of someone fulfilling all Old Testament messianic prophecies is considered astronomically low by probability calculations. A mathematician, Peter Stoner, calculated that the chance of one person fulfilling eight specific prophecies was one in 10 to the power of 17 (1 in 100 quadrillion).

Jesus is commonly believed to have fulfilled over 300 prophecies from the Old Testament, with estimates ranging from about 200 to 400 depending on the criteria used by different scholars. Notably, some sources highlight that he fulfilled 27 prophecies in a single day.

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1975 !

by Sea Breeze in

how many of you here remember 1975?

i hope the newer generations never forget.the true believers got shamed for it.

those who were hedging their bets, fared much better.

Sea Breeze

Most people at the time just seemed to see it as a coming event, like a forthcoming convention or vacation, just a fact of life that was going to occur but much more exciting.

This is exactly how it was in my home. When Nixon won the 1972 election, my father turned the TV off and announced that Nixon was the President that would end this "old sysem".

At 9 years old, I did the math and calculated that I only had about 3 years to live.

@Balaamsass

I remember a nice sister who was pregnant in 1973. An Elder was giving a part on the closeness of the end and "Woe to the pregnant woman" and how ignoring the END showed a lack of faith and may result in losing a child during Armageddon! That poor sister started crying and sobbing got up and ran to the back room.

Your story, in my opinion captures the utter hysteria, calousnessness and pompous attitudes of JW's, still present in much the same measure today. I remember my father screaming while whipping me with a belt, "you are void of all feellings for other people"! Must have been quite shocking for him to witness skepticism from one of his sons at such an early age.

In the end, I won. He never was able to beat it out of me.

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Did the Fred Franz style of writing cease after he died?

by SydBarrett in

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i was completely out by 1991 and 1989 would have been the last time i had to attend regularly.

that over the top franz writing style was still there in the 1980's although i've heard he wasn't actually doing much writing by then.

but his style was definitely picked up and imitated for many years beyond its wacky, outlandish peak of the the 50's - 70's.

Sea Breeze

Protestantism, on the other hand, is historically traceable not to the first century but to the sixteenth-century Reformation. Before Luther, Calvin, and Zwingli, there were no Protestant churches.

True, but there were new testament bible believers who never protested the RCC because they were never affiliated with it in the first place.

"The Reformers and Their Step-Children" is a must-read for every Christian. It traces much church history that has been wiped out, forgotten, or just never fully brought to light.

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1975 !

by Sea Breeze in

how many of you here remember 1975?

i hope the newer generations never forget.the true believers got shamed for it.

those who were hedging their bets, fared much better.

Sea Breeze

@ Biahi

That's pretty amazing that you witnessed both the false prophecy and the shaming, direct from the platform. It is astonishing to me that people would put up with that kind of mental abuse. Seems like I was the only one in my family that it seemed to bother.

That was almost 30 years before I was born.

@liam

That's exactly why you shouldn't forget about it. Once the eyewitnesses die off, the whole thing could get swept under the rug.

I'm curious though; in your opinion what percentage of JW's in your general age group know nothing about it?

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1975 !

by Sea Breeze in

how many of you here remember 1975?

i hope the newer generations never forget.the true believers got shamed for it.

those who were hedging their bets, fared much better.

Sea Breeze

How many of you here remember 1975? I hope the newer generations never forget.

The true believers got shamed for it. Those who were hedging their bets, fared much better. I lived through this nightmare when I was 12 years old. I was badly disoriented and jaded when it failed. I couldn't figure out why it was wrong for kids to lie, but when so-called godly adults did it, it was OK.

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Jehovah’s Witnesses Anointing

by Newbee in

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this is a video i put together about what i see as the future for jehovah’s witnesses.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ck_cghensao.

Sea Breeze

I still agree with what I said in my video about the JW’s being clean living people,
having love among themselves and preaching the good news.

@Newbee

Really? You can believe what you want. We have lived it. I was kicked out at 14 on the street for talking to school friends in my neighborhood. I had concerns about the 1975 false prophecy and wouldn't shut up about it. I was repeatedly told I was mentally ill, unchangeable, a hater of God etc. etc. etc. I ended up in prison for 10 months while still a teenager for marijuana. I had previously tried to join the military, but didn't qualify because I didn't finish high school. The 8th grade was the last grade I completed.

I am writing this post on my 75 acre gentlemans ranch which is only 45 mins from where my dad now lives... alone. He lives in a small apartment, in a small town with no yard, no pets allowed. His hellish isolation has already begun. Only my older brothers are witnesses. All his grandsons are now Christians because of my influence and the blessing of the Lord.

Every JW kid who questions their family religion gets psychologically bludgeoned with hours of slanderous lectures until they simply can't take it anymore. Looking for relief, they turn to drugs, sex, and alternative lifestyles looking for some relief from the mental terrorism.

This young lady was mentally abused, drugged and abandoned by her elder JW father while a teenager. While estranged from her family, she was raped while a knife was held to her throat. But hey, that's what she gets for leaving Jehovah, right?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4J_dzLrj_ms&t=104s&ab_channel=BibleReady

Reeling from that, she married someone who took advantage of her weak and vulnerable position. He cheated on her from almost the start and fathered 3 of her children. The Lord later gave her a wonderful husband and another son and so she now helps many other young ladies deal with the trauma of Watchtower terrorism.

I hired a new office manager a few weeks ago and it turns out she was raised JW and had to join the military at age 18 to escape her deranged family who were radicalized by WT fear mongering and propaganda.

She is a 40 something grandma now and never dealt with the trauma. She tries to hide the pain but slips into tears while remembering. She showed me a scar on her lip where her father hurled a shoe at her when she told him she was being shipped out in a few weeks for active duty. Her father told her that he brought her into this world and he can take her out. My father often told me the exact word for word thing, as if they were being controlled by the same malevolent entity.

Her dad went down to the recruiting office to try and control the United States military. That was a moment of clarity for him I'm sure. He was told she was an adult and could choose what she wanted to do. He found out he couldn't bully military officers the way he could his defenseless teenage daughter.

You believe JW's preach the good news? Wrong. The primary message of the Christian church is reconciliation with God.

God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the ministry of reconciliation.

20Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God. 21For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. - 2 Cor. 5

Jw's do not preach the ministry of reconciliation. They preach the kingdom message in Mt. 24: 14 that Jesus told his Jewish brothers they would one day preach (the real 144K male Jewish virgins during the GT)

In fact, the WT actively preaches AGAINST the ministry of reconciliation and has shut up the kingdom of heaven because they teach that believers can no longer be Justified (declared righteous)... since 1935, making it impossible to be reconciled to God.

Please join a decent bible-believing chuch and get some education. There is almost nothing salvageable from Watchtower, the world's premier Satanic organization.

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What does the Catholic church think of JW?

by Halcon in

on a trip to rome a few years ago i asked my friend (who is roman and jw) what the catholic faith thinks of jw.

he simply stated that jw is tolerated by the church but that really not much thought is given to them.

is there an official stance on jw by the catholics?

Sea Breeze

@aquased

Thanks for the contextual perspective. Helpful. Would you agree with this AI Google response to the question: Was denying the Real Presence a capital offence during the inquisition?

Answer:

Yes, denying the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist was a capital offense during the Inquisition. This was particularly true in regions like England, where it was a capital offense during Henry VIII's reign and continued to be a crime punishable by death for those who refused to compromise with the Catholic Church. The Real Presence, the belief that Christ's body and blood are present in the Eucharist after consecration, was a central tenet of Catholic belief and was often linked to other heresies that were also punishable by death.

For example, in the English Reformation, those who denied the Real Presence faced severe consequences, including death, especially during the reigns of Henry VIII and Edward VI. The Inquisition, which was a church institution tasked with finding and punishing heresy, was a key tool in enforcing Catholic doctrine, and the denial of the Real Presence was one of the most serious offenses it dealt with.

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Judge Arrested for Immigration Related Criminality

by Sea Breeze in

breaking: fbi director kash patel has announced the arrest of milwaukee judge hannah dugan for obstructing ice during the arrest of an illegal alien.

patel: "we believe judge dugan intentionally misdirected federal agents away from the subject to be arrested in her courthouse, eduardo flores ruiz, allowing the subject — an illegal alien — to evade arrest.".

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Sea Breeze

Jan, do you believe that government officials who refuse to enforce immigration laws in hopes of increasing their voter base are acting criminally?

20-30 million people invaded our country under the totally lawless regime of Biden who refused to enforce immigration laws. Then, many government officials continue their despotism by trying to get these impoverished people to vote, which is getting easier to do. Lawless New York City now has nearly a million non-citizen city residents eligible to vote.

These law-breaking citizens of foreign nations will predictably vote for whomever promises the most government hand-outs and us real citizens are then forced to pay for it. Yea, that's right. We are FORCED to pay for a lawless scam that cancels the votes of real citizens.

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What does the Catholic church think of JW?

by Halcon in

on a trip to rome a few years ago i asked my friend (who is roman and jw) what the catholic faith thinks of jw.

he simply stated that jw is tolerated by the church but that really not much thought is given to them.

is there an official stance on jw by the catholics?

Sea Breeze

This is part of the broader mission to lead all people to the fullness of truth found in Christ and in the one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church.

@aqwsed12345

We agree on a great many things of orthodoxy. And for that, I am much grateful for your many posts. But, bible believers not affiliated with anyone other than Christ, and certainly not the Catholic church, has theological problems with statements like the above. Jesus is the TRUTH, not you, not me, not any church. That's what the boss says. Deal with it.

We JW kids had this "truth" stuff crammed down our throats, all the while their false prophecies were failing. The few of us that were saved out of that hell hole bear witness to Christ in the very midst of heresy. It's all we ever knew. But, when God wants you and hunts you down, it doesn't matter. Truth is found in Christ alone since he alone is the TRUTH.

So, while I am grateful for the Popes of the last 200 years, history cannot forget the 19 Popes in a row that facilitated the death of 50 million Europeans in a cooridinated systematic way during the Papal Inquisition. What a nightmare that was. 600 years of terror.

Not all of your brothers share your affinity for the Papal Church, though we all support the catholic (universal) church.

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Curious? How many members of this group feel we are living in the "End Times"?

by Balaamsass2 in

i like to take a peek at the kids over on reddit every week or so.. this thread caught my eye:" curious….

do any ex jw or pimo, still believe the world is ending.

i see people who have never been witnesses think that the world will end soon and they say things like “jesus is coming soon”….

Sea Breeze

Welcome to freedom 3rd gen. There are a handful of “non essentials” that Christians continue to debate.

This is what it looks like when freedom meets faith. But, the one thing that Christians are united on is Salvation by faith.

That is non negotiable. Faith in the self-resurrection of Jesus as he historically predicted. Because he lives, so will I. (John 14:19) It really is that simple. It was game over when he walked out of that tomb. Bada Bing!

It was for freedom that Christ set us free - Gal. 8:1

Freedom is messy a little. Cults try to create a cheap imitation with their uniformity.

Now, here’s the big question: Why is God so interested in our Freedom that he would go to the lengths that he did?